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I hope none of you are rabid fans of her because my least favorite character is none other than the Goth girl herself: Sam Manson.

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Wait, let me rephrase that. My least favorite character is Season Three Sam.

Season One and Two Sam is by no means my personal favorite character and I often have a very mixed view on her, but she's far more tolerable. Before I bitch on about why I can't stand Season 3!Sam, I need to talk about her Season 1+2 version. Sam 1.0, you could say.

Sam is a fourteen-year-old Goth environmentalist and keen vegetarian. She is incredibly outspoken and pushy concerning her beliefs and issues - to the detriment of both her friends and everyone around her - and a supporter of the dreary, dark, and other stereotypical horridness associated with Goth culture. She and Tim Burton would get along swimmingly. She also adores "nerdy" pleasures such as video games, monster and (according to the DP special Nickelodeon magazine), samurai flicks. She has vinyl records in her room and constantly keeps her curtains closed. She's also secretly wealthy. Her parents are heirs to the deli toothpick cellophane-twirling device, a thing I'm still trying to figure out what it is or does (maybe it was meant to be as absurd as possible, like The Cat in the Hat's "moss-covered three-handled family gradunza.") She's the rational figure in the Team Phantom trio; usually the one who keeps a straight head when the boys don't. She's also the one ultimately responsible for Danny's ghost portal accident that resulted in his powers (in a retcon I especially dislike). She's also Danny's love interest, but I don't need to tell you that; the shippers have that covered pretty dang well.

Through much of the first two seasons, that's pretty much who she is and what she does. I always seem to alternate between tolerating/liking her to downright annoyed. When things stick up her craw, she protests loudly and with great force. Her rants are often over the top and meant to be played as parody as much as straight. I can abide by that, but I still get bugged regardless because she doesn't shut up. But she's not perfect; people just as much look on in irritation and either ignore or call her out. Sometimes she's hypocritical. She tells Danny not to use his powers for personal gain, but isn't above asking him to scare off customers so they won't buy environmentally-hazard hummers (I'm aware she's doing this for the greater good, but frightening people isn't exactly acceptable and it won't help Danny either since it occurs during Amity Park's "We-Hate-Invisi-Bill" period). Sam often tells the boys to focus (which I'd honestly do the same as well) in their small moments of goofing off. The writers have always been good about keeping it in check. Sam said it best, "I'm his [Danny] friend, not his mother." She's bossy, but doesn't dominate. Her heart is in the right place, but she's not always right. Sam's Gothic nature is probably the most intriguing aspect of her I like. It's clear a good part of why she entered this lifestyle is to rebel against her conservative parents. Jeremy and Pamela are a pair of sunshine and an example of moral guardianship gone overboard. They, too equally protest whatever they deem unsafe for impressible youths (and then some). It's no wonder where Sam got her passion from! Naturally, they totally clash with Sam's bleak outlook (okay, not really; she's nowhere near close to pessimism). Sam openly flaunts her Gothness to piss her parents off, but it's not arbitrary; she truly embraces her lifestyle. Sam is a well balanced character. She's not just a love interest. She's her own person with her own goals and flaws and complications. Sometimes she drives me up the wall, but she's very tolerable and at times, lovable in the first two seasons.

tl; dr: Sam is a character and a rather fascinating one at that. Season Three shamefully crapped all over that.

Actually, I'd say on technicality that the second half of Season Two hinted of a shitter Sam to come. By accident, I'm sure since Season Three had completely different writers. "Beauty Marked" is actually a very good Sam episode. Unlike "Girls' Night Out", this is the better feminist-inducing episode. ...Not really, but close enough, I guess. Sam pushing Dora to go all Girl Power! and stand up to her brother is great and all, but the overall message is not only blatant and unsubtle, but it's at the expenses of the opposite sex. I can honestly get past high school boys lusting over chicks in a Beauty Contest; they're teenagers, what do they know? But the message is clearly suppose to be about the treatment of women and the Dora/Aragon plot bangs that nail with a jackhammer. Sam is the key player against such misogyny, seeking to stand put as an individual. That's a great lesson, but not only does the episode haphazardly fuck it up, it's at the expense of Danny's character; an issue that really drops the ball during Season Three. Danny has never shown to be shallow when it comes to girls. Well, his treatment of them, that is. He's fourteen and he's going through puberty so hormones are consuming his brain, but I never got the indication that Danny is sexist or sees girls as objects. I never saw him the type to date multiple girls just because he's the Beauty Pageant's judge and has that advantage. I never saw him as the type to use the girls to get them to do whatever he wants just to cur his favor. If anything, this would have worked better as a Tucker episode; he lives for girls. He's a shameless flirt. Probably a pervert. I don't see Tucker as a sexist figure either. In his case, I DO see it as the workings of a naive, growing fourteen-year-old who's just thinking in his pants, not his head. Danny is not that kind of person and for him to be derailed briefly so Sam can teach an Aesop is terrible. Also, I am totally irked on a different matter because this takes place an episode after his breakup with Valerie and it's clear by "Double Cross My Heart" that he still has lingering feelings.

"Micro Management" is tragically worse. Danny and Tucker are training for the presidential fitness and neither one is capable of passing. Cue a healthy, regularly exercising Sam who arrogantly shows off her abilities. Tucker I get (and even he should have gained something from constantly ghost fighting), but Danny? The same Danny who fought an entire ghostly pirate crew as a human in "Pirate Radio?" The same Danny who's been fighting ghosts constantly and who we now have to accept can't perform even one pull-up? No, don't give me that bullshit that Ghost Danny did all that; I refuse to believe he didn't get any form of training in his human half this far into the show, especially since he's temporarily lost his powers before. The boy's simpleminded, not an idiot. This episode wouldn't be an issue if it was in Season One, but I digress. I bring this up because Sam's the only one of the Trio who's physically fit. I'd be willing to be less harsh about this if that was all there is to it, but Sam is such a smug little shit here. She constantly flaunts her skills and teases the boys for their crappiness. She's then tasked to train Tucker for the test and the rest of the subplot has her abusing the hell out of him. It culminates in a scene where Tucker tries to grab the yet-to-be-released PDA from a nest while an angry mother bird pecks his hands. And Sam watches. She just stands there and counts his branch pull-ups as part of her rigorous training.

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Look at her. You know she has her eyes set on that fat kid over there.


Tucker has always been the Butt Monkey, but instant training my butt! Dude, what kind of sick person are you, Sam? Your friend is getting injured by a bird! An angry bird (hur hur)! There is a reason why educational shows actually advise professionals to handle baby birds that fell off their nest! Next scene makes it worse; Tucker and Sam leave the hospital with bandaged hands. He was severely injured that they had to go to the goddamn emergency room! And Sam gets absolutely no repercussion for this or her superiority. Nope, we're just suppose to accept that Sam is awesome, should not apology for what she did, and that it's okay for her to relentlessly coach her friend in Satan's Exercise Course. I don't care if this is played for comedy, it's fucked up. No wonder they chose her voice actress to play Azula.

Enter Season Three. *shudders*

Everything that was balanced and good about Sam had been dismantled to its basic form. Sam 2.0 is what happens when they take her character and ramp it up to eleven. Her constant criticism and well-intent advices turned into essay-long drills on what Danny should or should not do with the plot backing her up. She's essentially become the "mother" she claimed she wasn't back in "The Ultimate Enemy". Her growing love (while logical to increase for its final season) with Danny is smacked repeatedly that it somehow ends up more automatic than its predictability already forced it to be.Tucker subsequently gets less and less screen time to make room for her and Danny. The boot to the ass to all this? She's now become a near Mary Sue figure by playing the Miss Exposition card; explaining and seemingly knowing everything.

"Girls' Night Out" is an awful, awful, AWFUL episode for a number of reasons, but focusing strictly on Sam, she's a huge bitch here for something that should be nonexistent to begin with. With Danny on a fishing trip with his father, Jazz is temporarily bumped up to help Sam and Tucker keep an eye on Amity Park from ghostly invasion. Technically, this complaint also involves Tucker since the both of them take to the idea of Jazz in Team Phantom about as well as foot rot. While I'm aware Danny is the only one who admitted Jazz into the team, she's the one who made it bold and clear that she will relegate herself to background, mostly keeping his secret from others and providing distractions. I got the impression she only moved from bit to big player just to keep things even while Danny's away. It's temporarily. "Secret Weapons" may have degraded her fighting skills, but overall, she does not lack it and "GNO" even supports that! Perhaps it's her brief upgrade and "SW" that does drive Sam and Tucker nuts. Fine, but it's really hard to root for them when Sam is constantly and I mean constantly being a bitch. Tucker is eventually kicked out of the plot early on, so we'll never know how far his animosity goes, so regrettably, most of my irritation goes to her. She is condescending, insulting, and has absolutely no respect for Jazz. She (and Tucker) was annoyed in "SW", but she wasn't an asshole. Jazz is such a trooper for putting up with her and keeping a stiff upper lip. Eventually, they do manage to beat the Ghosts of the Day (with a plan from Jazz, no less) that causes Sam to change her mind. This is actually the only episode in Season Three where Sam is on the wrong end of the spectrum and she learns a lesson from it, but I'm still off the mind that this issue shouldn't have been a problem to begin with. "Secret Weapons" solved it; don't beat the dead horse! And if not that, then Sam is just damn unlikable that I find it hard to feel anything for her. Sometimes a justification doesn't work if a person is being a stubborn jerkass about it.

I've foreshadowed Danny's derailment every time Sam needs to make a point in the "Beauty Marked" paragraph. Season Three is no stranger to this and arguably worse. Enter "Livin' Large", an episode that really, really, really should not have been aired this fucking late in the season. Danny gets rich and he becomes self-absorbed, apathetic, and uncaring. The Guys in White? Who cares? Ghost fighting? Whatever. He's soooo bored of that. Ooh, I'm rich; let me be a pigheaded dumbass. It ends with Danny replacing his friends with ROBOT DOPPLEGANGERS. That is a whole new, atrocious low. And guess who steps in to right the wrongs? Sam. She goes on a huge tirade about what Danny's become. Tucker's feelings are the same, but he barely gets in a word. Nope, it's all Sam because the plot has to revolve around to make her look good.

It further extends to "Boxed Up Fury" when Sam enters prime Know-It-All mode. She's the only one who knows about Greek Mythology and spends her time explaining every single one of it to a clueless Danny and Tucker. It's pretty awful when Danny doesn't know something as blatantly blatant as Pegasus or Pandora's Box (or jar if you want to really dig deep). This is stuff they teach you in grade school and general fiction that's widespread throughout America; I refuse to believe they don't know the basics. I had these things down pat in the fourth grade and I'm not a devotee let alone avid. Oh, but it gets better. Sam conveniently has a Greek Mythology book. What are the odds? And this is the best part. The reason why Sam knows so much about Greek Myth? "Helloooo, Goth. Dark and weird stuff is standard issue."

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At times like these, I wish I took up smoking. Dear Writer, being a Goth has absolutely nothing to do with Greek Mythology and is not the sole reason why anyone is interested or should be interested in it. Greek Mythology is much more universal than that. They teach it in public schools. Media has a bazillion movies and literature about it. I wasn't screaming GOOOOOTH! when I read the Percy Jackson series, I'll tell you that much. Just because it's "weird and dark" doesn't necessary mean it's Gothic! There is nothing about Greek Mythology that even fits Sam's description of Goth! God, her sentence would have honestly worked if she just said she liked the weirdness behind it, but she used her Goth as an excuse for adoring Greek Myth. It is NOT a Gothic Thing! It is goddamn clear the writer only slapped that in as a convenient excuse to once again make Sam The Smart, All-Knowing One. Because of course Danny and Tucker are idiots. Only Sam is the intelligent one. They didn't even use Jazz who could logically come in with acknowledgment of Greek Myths as well, but no, it has to be SAM.

Finally, "Phantom Planet" once again slaps Danny's character development to the friggin' stratosphere. He purposely zaps his powers away because GASP no one appreciates him and his work! Never mind "Phantom Forever" where Danny refused to regale in the spotlight and merely combats ghosts because he wants to save the world; not for attention and glory. Oh, forgot all that character development. We'll also forget that Danny continued his heroic acts when the whole town hated him earlier because Waaah Waaah The Masters Blasters is stealing his spotlight, so bye-bye powers. Guess who sets him straight? No, guess. Guessss. Sam is once again trying to smack some sense into him because she's always right. She's neeeeeeeeeeeever wrong. Tucker and Jazz hardly lend their thoughts. This is especially troubling because Jazz should have gotten a bigger role concerning this matter. She's the one who watched her brother grow and embrace his role as a hero. She admires him and how he matured over the course of the goddamn series and all she gets is one measly sentence to sum up how she feels when Danny takes it all back. The majority is Sam breathing down his neck about how selfish he is. Valid, yes, but "PP" belittles Danny's personality for yet another Sam-Is-Right session. Even her speech feels iffy. She wants him to be a superhero because Amity Park is much safer in his hands, but a good 75% of her resentful is because he's, god forbid, normal. It's as if being normal is an awful thing and that totally slides from her non-conformist beliefs. Danny is boring. I get what Hartman was trying to go for; she wanted the goodhearted hero back, the one she fell in love with because of his endless courage and sacrifice. However, he edited it so poorly that it honestly makes it come off as though Sam only loves Danny because he's a rarity. ...Dude, this so works for my Skulker/Sam pairing.

And this isn't getting into the shitty romance. Season One and Two were never, ever subtle about it, but the budding affection between the two have largely been kept to their own episodes with little passing remarks sprinkled elsewhere that didn't deteriorate the plot. Compare a small scene in "Reality Trip" when Tucker teases Sam about her crush on Danny. It lasts for a good 10 seconds or so. Then compare it to a small moment in "Boxed Up Fury" when Sam passes Danny her Greek Mythology book before he goes to the Ghost Zone. The animators treats this scene as if the damn thing is some sacred love present between the two. Why was this needed? What was the purpose other than to push their relationship further? How much more awkward and gushy could they have pushed this? They're in a state of emergency; Sam should just toss the book to Danny and tell him to hurry and find a solution. It's about as cringe-worthy as the shoelace tying scene in the sixth Harry Potter movie (still squicked out. ><)

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Oh, god, even the Heavens revolve around their crappy romance.


"Frightmare" is an episode of missed opportunities. A chance to explore the dreams of the main cast is too good a character study to pass. Unfortunately, much of it is phased out because Danny/Sam focus time! The majority of their fantasies focus on just these two and it's a downright cheat when their dreams are the same goddamn thing. Cheesy doesn't even begin to cover it. The only other dream we see is Tucker's and an unseen mentioning of Jazz's. Later in the episode, Danny is about to dive into Nocturn's mind, but Sam wants to tag along despite the danger. Danny easily accepts without debating back, saying he doesn't have much of a choice. This is presented as romantic; I see it as eye-rolling. Oh, please, Danny has constantly argued back against Sam for a number of reasons, so his "no choice" comment is head-smacking. It IS dangerous and he should have at least told her how unpredictable Nocturn's mind might be. A warning, something before Sam still chooses to come regardless. Topped with earlier episodes, it just makes it look like Sam has him wrapped around her fingers.

"Claw of the Wild" is a great episode, but poor Tucker; you had to be shoved out because it's more Danny and Sam time. Their romance is kept to a minimum, but you know the absence of the human cast was meant to drive these crazy kids closer.  

Much like the rest, Sam became a pale, one-dimensional copy of herself when Season Three aired. Season Two kinda sorta started it, but it was minor and the majority of her better roles more than made up for it. She used to be a reasonable, sensible figure; now she's a screeching harpy whose word is law. Danny, a boy who's gone through a surprisingly consistent character development temporarily downsizes to Square One whenever Sam needs to pop in and correct him. Her protest and criticism often annoyed everyone, but now it's a non-issue; instead a select part of her "I'm Right" stigma that Season Three oh so loooooves to back up. She used to be tolerable - even fun - to watch, but everything that was remotely good about her has been tarnished. So much so that she's become an unrepentant, unbearable, bitchy, know-it-all who learns absolutely nothing because she's always right.

Is there anything about Season Three Sam that I like? ...Well, Plant Sam is pretty cool (and creepily sexy):

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Damn, Danny. I approve of you and Hot, Evil, Plant Sam.


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ninitynine Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Student General Artist
I'm telling you, the ONLY way the series could work in a come back (which let's face it, will NEVER happen) I'd if they forget everything of season 3 with something like a cosmic reboot that undoes all the crap from that season, heck! It does even have to male sens up to why do they ignore it, they can do like xiaolin chronicles did and and forget about, and it will rock simply for not having anything to do with S3. AND if they leave marmel and leav him do evverything he wants with the show
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T56Cheng Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
Well said, I fully agree with your essay regarding on Sam's characterization. Seems like the writers failed so badly on giving Sam a proper character development or proper characterization.

I would like Sam even more if she was given a proper character development or a better characterization.
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ninitynine Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Student General Artist
I but not even marmel, the one writer that could develope characters properly, wanted her to grow
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The thing is Sam does have a characterization; I already listed why on the article. She is a character and for Season One and Two, they did a marvelous job. My complaint is on Season Three Sam where they really just made her unbearable. It really had nothing to do with any lack of proper characterization as much as they took her personality and emphasized certain traits that made her less of a character and more of a living caricature.
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T56Cheng Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
I am trying to say that it would be better if the writers shouldn't ruin Sam's characterization on the season 3, I do agree with you somewhat about season 1 & 2 Sam. I find season 1 & 2 Sam to be quite decent but season 3 Sam was not that good.
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DivineSpiritual Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This. I totally agree with everything you said!
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WickedGhoul Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012
Wow. I literally just posted a rant on why I hate Sam's character in my journal and then I found this. I pretty much brought up a lot of the same points as you did but you put it so much more eloquently together than I did and I applaud you for it. :clap:
I agree with everything you said, especially the Greek Mythology thing. I couldn't pin-point exactly why that line pissed me off but now I know. Thank you for shedding light on that and for shedding light on why Sam is a terrible character (at least in the third season).
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Glad you enjoyed my article.
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vuy Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Student General Artist
Wasn't "Dani" use to be your least favorite character in Danny Phantom? Or was she not included, because there is not enough for her character to be analyzed in this meme?
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Danielle used to be, but as an overall, she only appears in two episodes out of fifty-three which is pastry compared to Sam who appeared in every episode except one. Her gradual downward slope is much more blatant as a result and saddeningly to see. In comparison, Danielle, who I still don't like, is a character that needed more appearances to make her worthy of the relevance she's suppose to carry.
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S2Teennovelist Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
As much as i love Sam, i agree, season 3 Sam was annoying, but to be honest i found ALL the characters got crapped on a lot in season even season 3 Vlad went too overboard in my opinion espeically after we get SO much about him in Kindred spirits (i mean what the hell happened to THAT Vlad, i liked that Vlad, and then the second he becmae Mayor it was like his single goal in life was to make life hell for Danny and rule the world, but i'm getting a head of myself. I could not for the life of me understand why season 3 was so bad until you mentioned it had different writers:
That explained EVERYTHING! :iconheaddeskplz:
I swear i will never know WHY the idiots in charge of Nickelodeon decided to cancel Danny Phantom but then again i lost all hope for them when they started putting live action shows on Nickolodeon (it sucked when Disney did it so why the HELL would they wanna do it)
I think what happened was that because Butch Hamon had only a small amount of episodes left, he tried to get the best ones in that would get the plot going, and thus had to scrap all the other ones which would've make the pacing of the season make more sense. Boxed up fury pissed me off cause i LOVE greek mythology and that was a mess.
but yeah the only thing i liked about Season 3 was Jack saving Danny in girls night out (you can't deny that was awesome) the undergrowth episode which KICKED ASS! i LOVED that episode, Danny's ice powers were awesome, I LOVED Plant Sam (if ever Hamon wanted to give Sam powers that would've been the perfect episode) and I really liked Phantom Planet. But Hamon picked a great way to end the series (the only thing i didn't like about that episode was yes, Sam's angel personality and Danny's free loading personality once he lost his powers, it fit them both: danny kinda of like peter parker in the second spider man movie and all, but again i really wish it was more subtle, but other than that that whole thing rocked!
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"i liked that Vlad, and then the second he becmae Mayor it was like his single goal in life was to make life hell for Danny and rule the world, but i'm getting a head of myself."

I like this aspect of Vlad. "Kindred Spirits" made it clear Vlad has had enough with Danny. He's through trying to obtain him as a son, so now he's going to spend the rest of his life making his life hell. It's that the rest of his character degraded that it ruined an interesting plot point.

"I swear i will never know WHY the idiots in charge of Nickelodeon decided to cancel Danny Phantom but then again i lost all hope for them when they started putting live action shows on Nickolodeon (it sucked when Disney did it so why the HELL would they wanna do it)"

Nickelodeon always had live action. This isn't Cartoon Network; live-action series has always been on Nickelodeon even before the first Nicktoons aired.

"I really liked Phantom Planet. But Hamon picked a great way to end the series (the only thing i didn't like about that episode was yes, Sam's angel personality and Danny's free loading personality once he lost his powers, it fit them both: danny kinda of like peter parker in the second spider man movie and all, but again i really wish it was more subtle, but other than that that whole thing rocked!"

I hate "Phantom Planet". Everybody was awful there, the plot was awful, almost everything was awful.
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S2Teennovelist Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I never saw it like that, but to be honest I didn't think Vald was the type to give up, but then again given his devastation when the prime clone was dead, i guess it made sense. Still his desire for Danny made him a much more original villain than he was in season 3 where he was determined to make Danny's life hell (he seemed determined to do that before, so me it didn't seem like much of a difference)

Oh i knew Nick had live action shows before, I never said id din't. Camp Wanna wanna and animoprhs were some of my favorite shows. I just meant i wish they made better shows, i mean Icarly is totally unrealistic, Victorious was just stupid, i liked Ned's Declassified but that one finished.

Phantom Planet i guess is either take it or leave: I personally thought it was a great ending, and i loved how Tucker became the Mayor, so like i said it was take it or leave it.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Oh i knew Nick had live action shows before, I never said id din't. Camp Wanna wanna and animoprhs were some of my favorite shows. I just meant i wish they made better shows, i mean Icarly is totally unrealistic, Victorious was just stupid, i liked Ned's Declassified but that one finished."

You wrote it so that it made it sound like there were no live-action shows prior. Miscommunication, so it's all good.

"Phantom Planet i guess is either take it or leave: I personally thought it was a great ending, and i loved how Tucker became the Mayor, so like i said it was take it or leave it."

And I dislike Mayor Tucker. It's out of left field (of sorts; they did provide a reason, but it's flimsy) and has absolutely no baring to his character. It's yet another reason in a long line of why I hate "PP". Damn shame because there were symptoms of greatness.
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S2Teennovelist Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
Yeah sorry about that ^^'

Well like i said, its take it or leave it with PP
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Danny has never shown to be shallow when it comes to girls. Well, his treatment of them, that is.

I was about to say "Hang on!", but then I read the second sentence and you're right. While Danny may have completely shallow reasons for liking Paulina, every time he is in a relationship with her, he treats her well and not as if she is an accessory. I can't say he isn't objectifying her since his real reason for liking her is her beauty, not her personality, but he does want to spend time with her and interact with her, not show her off. And he does have relationships with other girls (Valerie, Sam) for which he fell for the person rather than the face.

I don't see Tucker as a sexist figure either.

Uh, he is sexist, but I agree with your point that it's because he's an unaware teenage idiot who will probably grow out of it than that he really sees women as inferior.

No, don't give me that bullshit that Ghost Danny did all that

Actually, I think it makes sense. His body is protoplasm (or... whatever) as a ghost, not flesh, so he isn't working his muscles. This idea is reinforced by the extreme difference between Vlad Masters and Vlad Plasmius (who has been half-ghost much longer than Danny). Masters is could shimmy into a corset. Plasmius is packing. Vlad probably exercises his human form, but he would hardly tackle the same challenges in that body as he would as Plasmius.

I refuse to believe he didn't get any form of training in his human half this far into the show, especially since he's temporarily lost his powers before.

I believe it. It's Danny. You think he runs around exercising when he's in human form? He'd be chilling after drilling his ghost powers. I would expect he'd take for granted working out is a ghost is good enough and completely miss the memo that the only reason his junk food diet isn't catching up to him is that he's fourteen.

I'd be willing to be less harsh about this if that was all there is to it, but Sam is such a smug little shit here.

This is a symptom of a greater problem with female characters in a lot of shows. It's not enough for them to be good at something or as good as any of the guys. They have to be better and a point has to be made of it. It's Sam being treated as a strong female character rather than a strong character who is female. The weird thing is... this show only has this problem with Sam and occasionally Maddie. Jazz and Valerie are strong characters who happen to be female (except with Valerie having a ninth black belt- yeah right, she's fourteen!- although I wonder if that was to highlight her similarities to Maddie).

Tucker and Sam leave the hospital with bandaged hands. He was severely injured that they had to go to the goddamn emergency room!

To be fair, we were supposed to take this as extreme, Loony Tunes style humor. On the other hand, that's just stupid.

"GNO", if you say it out loud, sounds like "gyno". And it was about as fun as a gynecological exam. *cymbal clash*

(or jar if you want to really dig deep)

Damn straight it was a jar! You kids and your box... actually, I couldn't care less. I don't know when the jar became a box, but it was a long, long time ago.

They teach it in public schools.

And parochial ones! I remember being in fifth grade and reading about Demeter cursing a man with insatiable hunger. He eventually ate himself. We learned myths far more "obscure" than Pandora's in school.

...Dude, this so works for my Skulker/Sam pairing.

You get the sense they'd be into bondage? I do.

Damn, Danny. I approve of you and Hot, Evil, Plant Sam.

Everyone approves of hot, evil, plant Sam. I still haven't watched "Call of the Wild". I refuse to. It's my symbolic gesture of rejection to Season Three. Also, I don't care. Mostly that.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"To be fair, we were supposed to take this as extreme, Loony Tunes style humor. On the other hand, that's just stupid."

Which I'd be willing to take if Sam wasn't an unapologetic smug little sadist.
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That's a good point. If Sam had just been trying to help, this would have come off as good intentions gone horribly wrong. Instead, she's pleased with it. Sadistic little shit, indeed.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm beginning to think your bondage comment between her and Skulker is a lot more plausible. ;)
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Goths are all into black leather and spikes, amiright? She can even claim IT'S A GOTH THING and Skulker goes, "Whatever, honey. You have the key, right?"
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The safety word is "purple back gorilla."
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
OH GOD. I am dead.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:D
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Actually, I think it makes sense. His body is protoplasm (or... whatever) as a ghost, not flesh, so he isn't working his muscles. This idea is reinforced by the extreme difference between Vlad Masters and Vlad Plasmius (who has been half-ghost much longer than Danny). Masters is could shimmy into a corset. Plasmius is packing. Vlad probably exercises his human form, but he would hardly tackle the same challenges in that body as he would as Plasmius."

That's not what I meant by that "bullshit" comment; it was just the trigger for the Human Danny Exercise Rant.

"I believe it. It's Danny. You think he runs around exercising when he's in human form? He'd be chilling after drilling his ghost powers. I would expect he'd take for granted working out is a ghost is good enough and completely miss the memo that the only reason his junk food diet isn't catching up to him is that he's fourteen."

I believe this, too. I just don't want to. Perhaps I'm lending far too much credit, but props where it's due. This would be a non-issue if "Micro Management" came before "Pirate Radio". Yes, I am going to use that episode against it. It may be biased, but not only is "PR" a personal favorite, but it's an important Danny character developing episode, showing he can fight with his human half. I don't care if it's a fluke, I declare this an important and awesome moment for him that "MM" ruined. /whiny fan mode

"You get the sense they'd be into bondage? I do."

I don't disapprove! XD

"I still haven't watched "Call of the Wild". I refuse to. It's my symbolic gesture of rejection to Season Three. Also, I don't care. Mostly that."

It's only purpose is to answer the question on Wulf's fate and even by the end, it doesn't really solve his dilemma with Walker (who, BTW, is pretty awesome here. Kevin Sullivan didn't crap him up, thankfully). It is a good episode, but if you don't care about Wulf, then yeah, pass it. The only other thing is the Danny/Sam plot and neither one of us cares about that.
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Argh, I don't remember "Pirate Radio" enough to argue this point. Still, doesn't mean he can do a pull up. ('Cause those are a bitch.) When are the Shout Factory DVDs due out? I mean both parts, damnit.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm aware pull-up requires different muscles, but the boy swings his way to the ship with a hookshot which requires enough arm muscles as it is. He battles ghosts with Fenton weapons, yes, but they still require a great deal of strength, dexterity, etc. Yeah yeah, other kids pull the same and god knows the limits on their bodies, but this is about Danny. I'm counting this. "MM" sucks.

And yea, pull-ups are a bitch. (Also, Season Two, Part 1 DOES contain "Pirate Radio.")
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I concede the argument and not just because I don't have the information to argue- it's a good point. Danny might not make all of the physical fitness requirements on the first go, but perhaps he should have had a better chance.

(Also, Season Two, Part 1 DOES contain "Pirate Radio.")

I don't care. I'm watching the season in proper order. I'll wait until I can order both halves together. It's the only form of protest I have left to this madness! :XD:
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Speaking of Nickelodeon screw-ups, totally unrelated to DP, but I just found out Toph is a playable character in the Nicktoons baseball game. Toph. The blind girl.
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Toph uses her sense of the pitcher's position and movements to judge the speed and trajectory of the ball. Getting to base? That's easy, she always knows the layout of the field and can feel the positions of all the players through the Earth. TOPH IS JUST THAT AWESOME.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Can she really judge when the ball's coming? I was under impression that as long as it's in the air, she really cannot know. Pfft, I can accept this theory. Toph is MOTHERFUCKING BADASS.
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"I don't care. I'm watching the season in proper order. I'll wait until I can order both halves together. It's the only form of protest I have left to this madness!"

I'm disappointed Nickelodeon likely gave Shout!Factory the episode order they used on the DVD-R. I'm even more disappointed that Shout!Factory's box art got the episode list right, but didn't bother to proofcheck the discs themselves. Or vice versa.
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
What is up with Shout Factory getting the order right on the box but not the discs? They couldn't have put the episodes the right way in production? Honestly, what stopped them from doing this?
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Apparently the complaint is big enough that Shout!Factory is issuing new box cover with the episode order that's on the discs. Really, they should have proof checked this before they released it. I can't believe it slipped past them. I honestly expected better from them.
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Her parents are heirs to the deli toothpick cellophane-twirling device, a thing I'm still trying to figure out what it is or does

Really? You don't know? Look at this image:

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See how it's a toothpick with some colored crap on the end? That's cellophane. They made the device that wraps it on the end.

Anyway, I'm going to continue reading on, but I just had to point this out before anyone else does. Assuming anyone else cares. I mean, I'm the freak who Googled "cellophane toothpick" because I felt you needed to visual. I will go crawl back under my rock.
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Really? is that what it is? I actually did google search that thing ages ago and got nothing. Finally, I know what it is!
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TavalyaRa Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
What did you Google search? If you typed in the device's name itself, that may have been the problem. I doubt there's a specialized device that exists solely to twirl cellophane on toothpicks- it's probably a more general piece of machinery that can be adapted to a variety of tasks, including twirling cellophane on toothpicks. (Typing "How is cellophane twirled on toothpicks" will give you links to pages and fics about Sam Manson. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what phrases to type into Google to get the answer of what the actual device is. I'm a little scared I've spent even five minutes on this.)
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neoyi Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't know. Keep in mind I searched like five years ago and never bothered again.
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